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JS talks about the rape scene
Topic Started: Saturday Jun 12 2010, 06:29 PM (3,737 Views)
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 08:26 PM
His interview reminds me of that dirtbag CEO of BP who wants his life back. So sorry, JS, that real women who regard and respect other women might find it offensive that the actors and the writers of a show that is targeted toward women would so blatantly demonstrate their disrespect for their audience. I'm so sorry that you are tired of hearing about the rape - life must suck for you. Why don't you volunteer at a rape center and tell those women that they had the opportunity to say no, especially those who had a gun pointed at them? I'm going to say it, but he's an ass. <You are welcome to edit that last part out>.
I think my edit key is broken ;)

I've met JS in person, seen him in all his obnoxious glory, so his latest words don't surprise me. The only thing that flabbergasts me is that NBC hasn't dumped him yet. He's a liability, in every way that matters.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 08:15 PM
And it was this storyline that made me stop watching Days long before Bryan left the show and even before Lumi were completely destroyed. As much as I love the romance of Lumi, I will not condone, by watching, a show that glorifies what constitutes a heinous act of aggression against a character who had already suffered a rape. Furthermore, I think that Ali, James Scott, and the whole staff of writers collude in what I will call a violation of my trust as a viewer. As for those who support this storyline, without any kind of calculated and meaningful redemption of the EJ character, simply argue for the psychological enslavement of women.

You, rapemi fans, are the worst kind of colluders. And this statement comes from someone who stridently and actively supported the Jack and Jennifer romance, but that storyline was saturated in Jack's shame and guilt. He paid for his sins tenfold over, always living with the ghosts of his mistakes. This character, this abomination of a character, signals the decline of the soap opera because his existence marks how disconnected the soap world is from the real one.

As for James Scott, I agree with him. It is just a TV show, which is why I turned it off.
Amen!

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Well, James Scott does not impress me. I am generally one who does not collapse character and actor, but this guy is priceless. The smart thing, the intelligent thing, the moral thing to say is that, while he appreciates the support from his fans and his show, he also recognizes that this is a topic that might be emotional for a portion of the audience. A kind thing to say is that it is a television show, which means that storylines may proceed in ways that we are not always in agreement with, but that he has faith in the writers that they will handle it with respect and dignity...oh that's right, we are talking about Days.

I may seem very reactionary about this, and that is because I am. As a writer, as a viewer (long time), as a woman, and as a citizen of a world too full of violence against women, I am ashamed that in today's culture, a soap opera I once watched would find it acceptable to do the following: make an unrepentant rapist a hero, allow a strong female character submit to his machinations, and finally, write a story that prioritizes ratings over an obligation to reveal humanity, not mask it. As storytellers, these writers and producers contribute to young women's perception of what love means, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it should be. And if this is their version of the ideal romance, then I can only hope that their real lives never reflect the sins of their fictions.

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Linda, can I mail your posts into Kenny?
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write a story that prioritizes ratings over an obligation to reveal humanity


The ironic thing is that in their attempt to prioritize ratings over story, they have killed the ratings and nearly snuffed out the industry.


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As storytellers, these writers and producers contribute to young women's perception of what love means, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it should be.

Exactly. The scariest comment I read after the rape aired was one female fan who disclaimed that a rape had happened because Sami wasn't acting like a "typical rape victim." First of all I wanted to know how there could even be such a thing because the circumstances around every act of violence can vary so greatly and secondly, I wanted to know what she was basing her perception of a "typical rape victim" on. I doubt it came from working with real life rape victims, so I could only conclude that her perception of how a rape victim should act after the crime was based on what she'd watched on TV and read in books. So that of course shoots down the theory that fiction is only fiction and doesn't have any influence on how people think.
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You may do what you like with them, Erica.

And add this:

Mr. Corday,

As a former viewer of your show, I find it rather fitting that the character you choose as the face of the show is a rapist. It's a great metaphor for how I feel about the show, except there is one difference. I said no and turned you off before you could finish the job.

Good luck against General Hospital, who by the way, know how to address rape, even thirty years after the fact.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 08:55 PM
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write a story that prioritizes ratings over an obligation to reveal humanity


The ironic thing is that in their attempt to prioritize ratings over story, they have killed the ratings and nearly snuffed out the industry.


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As storytellers, these writers and producers contribute to young women's perception of what love means, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it should be.

Exactly. The scariest comment I read after the rape aired was one female fan who disclaimed that a rape had happened because Sami wasn't acting like a "typical rape victim." First of all I wanted to know how there could even be such a thing because the circumstances around every act of violence can vary so greatly and secondly, I wanted to know what she was basing her perception of a "typical rape victim" on. I doubt it came from working with real life rape victims, so I could only conclude that her perception of how a rape victim should act after the crime was based on what she'd watched on TV and read in books. So that of course shoots down the theory that fiction is only fiction and doesn't have any influence on how people think.
The most terrifying comment I read by a rapemi was
"If that was rape, we should all be raped at least once."

Seriously?
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It's going out Monday or Tuesday. You stated so eloquently what we have been trying to get them to see for years.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 08:15 PM
And it was this storyline that made me stop watching Days long before Bryan left the show and even before Lumi were completely destroyed. As much as I love the romance of Lumi, I will not condone, by watching, a show that glorifies what constitutes a heinous act of aggression against a character who had already suffered a rape. Furthermore, I think that Ali, James Scott, and the whole staff of writers collude in what I will call a violation of my trust as a viewer. As for those who support this storyline, without any kind of calculated and meaningful redemption of the EJ character, simply argue for the psychological enslavement of women.

You, rapemi fans, are the worst kind of colluders. And this statement comes from someone who stridently and actively supported the Jack and Jennifer romance, but that storyline was saturated in Jack's shame and guilt. He paid for his sins tenfold over, always living with the ghosts of his mistakes. This character, this abomination of a character, signals the decline of the soap opera because his existence marks how disconnected the soap world is from the real one.

As for James Scott, I agree with him. It is just a TV show, which is why I turned it off.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 07:57 PM
Ali's position on what happened right after the scenes aired...

http://boards.celebrityloop.com/showthread.php?s=80ddf9ddf27fdba14f19ca9b653a7a63&t=60258

Hi everyone Happy New Year! I hope you all had a wonderful holiday. I did... but more on that later.

This morning I was surfing the net, seeing the response from the fans in regards to Sami's new storyline. I guess when you're in the middle of it, it's hard to see it obejctively, but I must admit to being shocked by some of the posts I read on the subject of Rape. I hadn't realized how clever Hogan had been at developing a story that has so many different points of view... that people can all watch the same scene and interpret it in different ways.

What motivated me to post - on Sami's behalf ;) - were the people who think Sami's 'gone back to her old ways' by lying about EJ's inovlvement in rescuing Lucas, and the rape. Most people seem to think she should tell. Am I the only one who heard James Scott (plays EJ) skillfully deliever the line in an incredibly menacing tone "If you tell the cops you saw me, you will wish you were dead. If I get arrested, I will tell them that you helped me escape, and we've been sleeping together for months. And when Lucas comes to hear that you and I have known each other..." while pointing a gun?

That seems pretty cut and dry to me.
From Sami's perspective, she doesn't have the option of telling the truth - She wanted to tell Roman and couldn't because of EJ's threats.

This storyline has really been such a challenge to play. I love how difficult it is to play scenes where Sami has to pretend everything is okay, and then find moments for the audience to see her inner demons. I hope you all are enjoying Days as much as I am right now!

I love the debate, and I can't wait to hear what you all think!

xoxo


And this was posted January 2nd 2007. The scenes aired December 29th 2006 so it must have been before every rapemi started spinning the same story and influencing her opinion to keep shut.
Oh, and this should be quoted again, too. Kudos to pre-caving Ali :cheer: Wish she would've stuck to her guns. :((
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 08:55 PM
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write a story that prioritizes ratings over an obligation to reveal humanity


The ironic thing is that in their attempt to prioritize ratings over story, they have killed the ratings and nearly snuffed out the industry.


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As storytellers, these writers and producers contribute to young women's perception of what love means, what it looks like, what it feels like, and what it should be.

Exactly. The scariest comment I read after the rape aired was one female fan who disclaimed that a rape had happened because Sami wasn't acting like a "typical rape victim." First of all I wanted to know how there could even be such a thing because the circumstances around every act of violence can vary so greatly and secondly, I wanted to know what she was basing her perception of a "typical rape victim" on. I doubt it came from working with real life rape victims, so I could only conclude that her perception of how a rape victim should act after the crime was based on what she'd watched on TV and read in books. So that of course shoots down the theory that fiction is only fiction and doesn't have any influence on how people think.
Exactly Norma! These are the comments of women who are seeing the world through a particular lens. Stories have consequence, and soap operas like Days cannot continue to tell irresponsible stories without recrimination. I am one of those women; I grew up with Luke and Laura, Bo and Hope, Ryan and Rick, etc. And while I am an adult who recognizes the difference between fiction and fact, I was a young girl who thought the sun rose and set on Jack Deveraux. And I was always made aware, by actor and writer, that this was a man who admitted his guilt and did all he could do to redeem himself from it. I never, ever, thought Kayla didn't act like a rape victim because there is no way to react to such a thing.

Days should donate money to rape organizations. They should do PSAs. They should acknowledge their idiocy in some real, consequential way.

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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 09:02 PM
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Exactly Norma! These are the comments of women who are seeing the world through a particular lens. Stories have consequence, and soap operas like Days cannot continue to tell irresponsible stories without recrimination. I am one of those women; I grew up with Luke and Laura, Bo and Hope, Ryan and Rick, etc. And while I am an adult who recognizes the difference between fiction and fact, I was a young girl who thought the sun rose and set on Jack Deveraux. And I was always made aware, by actor and writer, that this was a man who admitted his guilt and did all he could do to redeem himself from it. I never, ever, thought Kayla didn't act like a rape victim because there is no way to react to such a thing.

Days should donate money to rape organizations. They should do PSAs. They should acknowledge their idiocy in some real, consequential way.

And they should also hire you as headwriter to fix the show.

I watch GH. I love the fact that Luke's rape of Laura still gets mentioned on a regular basis. I also love the fact that Luke doesn't try to whitewash what he did. He takes responsibility for it, something that Elvis has never done once, and he truly regrets what he did.
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And just to mention: Jack didn't find redemption with Kayla, his victim. He found it with Jennifer and Karma kicked him in the butt when he had to deal with the effects of rape on her.
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The most terrifying comment I read by a rapemi was
"If that was rape, we should all be raped at least once."

Seriously?
Me too! That is the exact comment I thought of immediately.



BTW, I wonder if Anthony Geary ever gets tired of talking about Luke raping Laura ... somehow I doubt he would ever say that in an interview.


bookdal, I don't know you, but I wish that you would post more often. I am thoroughly inspired by you.
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Tony is a class act. James, not so much.
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Tony is a class act. James, not so much.
Exactly. When Tony speaks, profound words come out of his mouth.
When James speaks, it's just more blah, blah, blah.
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They seriously need to stop allowing James to attend fan events. He opens mouth, inserts foot. And uses his fingers in inappropiate ways... His rude comments and insensitive comments need to be stopped.
How can any woman be a fan of this man?
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Thank God per Ken Coraday this nightmare known as Ej and Sami will be over with soon. Their death sentence is signed, sealed and delivered. I've got my nails ready for the coffin. Anyone want to grab a shovelful of dirt and make sure the rape couple is dead and buried? James has sunk to an all time high in low and so have his fans!
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How can any woman be a fan of this man?
It's easy if you have an empty life, little intelligence and practically no self esteem. If you don't fit in that category, then it beats me.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 09:08 PM
And just to mention: Jack didn't find redemption with Kayla, his victim. He found it with Jennifer and Karma kicked him in the butt when he had to deal with the effects of rape on her.
and that was the story that made us 'like' Jack...the fact that he had to live with what 'another rapist' did to the woman he loved, karma.......Days should look back at how the writers tackled other rapes on the show...and I seriously think that the aftermath of Ej's rape was even worse...he kept raping her emotionally over years....it's sick.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 10:39 PM
Thank God per Ken Coraday this nightmare known as Ej and Sami will be over with soon. Their death sentence is signed, sealed and delivered. I've got my nails ready for the coffin. Anyone want to grab a shovelful of dirt and make sure the rape couple is dead and buried? James has sunk to an all time high in low and so have his fans!
I'm thinking James has already put his own nails in his coffin and has started slinging the dirt in. We don't have to do a thing except sit back and watch him self-destruct. He's doing just fine all on his own.
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Saturday Jun 12 2010, 10:39 PM
Thank God per Ken Coraday this nightmare known as Ej and Sami will be over with soon. Their death sentence is signed, sealed and delivered. I've got my nails ready for the coffin. Anyone want to grab a shovelful of dirt and make sure the rape couple is dead and buried? James has sunk to an all time high in low and so have his fans!
I'm thinking James has already put his own nails in his coffin and has started slinging the dirt in. We don't have to do a thing except sit back and watch him self-destruct. He's doing just fine all on his own.
Yep, and I have to say, it's far more entertaining to watch than anything the show produces.
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Yep, and I have to say, it's far more entertaining to watch than anything the show produces.
Well, yeah... Entertaining in an aggravating, fingernails on a chalkboard kinda way.
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Great comments from everyone. I only have two more to add. For someone who claims to know the difference between fiction and reality, JS is extremely defensive over EJ's actions. I'm convinced James needs to keep saying it's just fiction to remind himself of that fact. Why else would he feel the need to lie about EJ's crimes.

Second, JS has managed to accomplish the impossible; he makes EJ more tolerable and Ken Corday more PR savvy by comparison.
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my best friend was one of those women and like me she watched that travesty they call intertainment and we both look at eachother and said what then we thought ok maybe the writers will a pts story you know post tramantic stress story well she stop watching after that and the whole santo and colleene story made me want to barf i hate james charcter so much infect this year in ct he was there my friend and i did not go
i told her he not worth it she wanted to give him a piece of her mind about the charcter ej and rape
i am sorry but dosent he relize that the fans won't find it romantic at all just violent . by the way i am glad there is a campagin. thank you keep up the good work.
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