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i really like the Will and Sonny scenes
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I don't think Roman is going to have a problem accepting Will, I just think he is going to be worried for him. Remember the scene where he tells Will to let him know if Sonny has any problem with bigots causing his business trouble because he's gay. Caroline is the one I've thought might have an issue with it because of her age and the fact that they've historically made her rather conservative in her religious beliefs (or at least when it suits the plot).
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If everyone accepted Harold was gay then im sure everyone will accept Will too.. :)
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The thing about having a child-and-grandchild-of-central-characters as your gay character is just that - they don't want to paint any of their legacy characters as homophobic, which means it's a stretch to create that kind of family conflict.

On the one hand, it would be really nice to have a gay soap character come out and not face any kind of rejection from his family. I mean, gay kids see that kind of thing all over the place anyway, you know? It would be nice to show them that coming out to your family can actually mean they don't love you any less, or turn their backs on you.

On the other hand, they've already painted Will as terrified of what will happen if he does come out, what it'll do to his family. I guess they could tell a story where that was all unfounded fears. (Or I guess they could have Gabi/Rafe freak out on him, due to his having dated Gabi and essentially lied to her the whole time, but that would just reinforce stereotypes about Hispanics.) I'm afraid they're gearing up to have Sami be the one who refuses to accept it - although I think it would be more denial than homophobia, it wouldn't read that way to Will.

On the third (!) hand, it's completely unrealistic to have all good characters be completely accepting and all evil characters judgmental. Having an otherwise good character be okay with LGBT people in theory but struggle with it when it's suddenly so much closer to home is much more realistic and adds shades of grey. I'm just not sure Days can pull it off. But given how much better the writing is now compared to when I last watched, maybe they can.
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I think that the one they are going to focus on as being the one having 'problems' with it is going to be Sami. But not problems because she's homophobic, but problems because she (as she usually does) will blame herself for him becoming gay. This has nothing to do with Sami, but Sami will make it about her. IN the end, Lucas will help her understand that it's not about her, it's about Will and what he wants. I can see Sami trying to set him up with girls, I can see Sami trying to take him to counseling and I can finally see Lucas just ripping into her and saying, "Admit it, our son is gay and we love him the way he is. It has nothing to do with you, just admit it, please, for Will."
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Monday Feb 27 2012, 11:57 AM
I think that the one they are going to focus on as being the one having 'problems' with it is going to be Sami. But not problems because she's homophobic, but problems because she (as she usually does) will blame herself for him becoming gay. This has nothing to do with Sami, but Sami will make it about her. IN the end, Lucas will help her understand that it's not about her, it's about Will and what he wants. I can see Sami trying to set him up with girls, I can see Sami trying to take him to counseling and I can finally see Lucas just ripping into her and saying, "Admit it, our son is gay and we love him the way he is. It has nothing to do with you, just admit it, please, for Will."
maybe he will tell her the same way as he told Sami to admit and accept that her mom was the serial killer back in 2004 only this time he will get her to admit that will is gay and accept it
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Yes I can see Sami being the one most uncomfortable with Will being gay but because she's Sami and she will make this all about her. It won't come from a homophobic angle at all but more Sami freaking out about her baby and worrying about what he might be subjected to in terms of hate crimes, etc. And because of her fear, I do see Sami trying to convince Will that he's not gay or something like that which will come across to him as not being accepting. Only Lucas will know why Sami is really reacting the way she is and he will be the one to make her face the truth. Since he will also have the same worries about Will's safety, however at the same time also be loving and immediately accepting of him, I can see Lucas saving the day as usual and helping Sami see that just because Will is gay doesn't mean he will necessarily have an unhappy life. If they can form a united front as his parents supporting him, half the battle is over.
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I can see Sami growing from this whole experience. In order to accept that Will being gay isn't because of anything she did, she might figure out that not everything in her life that went wrong was because of Marlena. (I'm not disputing that Marlena was a crappy parental figure, but at some point Sami has to accept repsonsibility for her own actions)
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and let's face it Marlena is human, she fell in love with someone else but STILL tried her hardest to hold onto the life she had with Roman because she knew how it would hurt not only Roman but her kids too.
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Monday Feb 27 2012, 11:50 AM
The thing about having a child-and-grandchild-of-central-characters as your gay character is just that - they don't want to paint any of their legacy characters as homophobic, which means it's a stretch to create that kind of family conflict.

On the one hand, it would be really nice to have a gay soap character come out and not face any kind of rejection from his family. I mean, gay kids see that kind of thing all over the place anyway, you know? It would be nice to show them that coming out to your family can actually mean they don't love you any less, or turn their backs on you.

On the other hand, they've already painted Will as terrified of what will happen if he does come out, what it'll do to his family. I guess they could tell a story where that was all unfounded fears. (Or I guess they could have Gabi/Rafe freak out on him, due to his having dated Gabi and essentially lied to her the whole time, but that would just reinforce stereotypes about Hispanics.) I'm afraid they're gearing up to have Sami be the one who refuses to accept it - although I think it would be more denial than homophobia, it wouldn't read that way to Will.

On the third (!) hand, it's completely unrealistic to have all good characters be completely accepting and all evil characters judgmental. Having an otherwise good character be okay with LGBT people in theory but struggle with it when it's suddenly so much closer to home is much more realistic and adds shades of grey. I'm just not sure Days can pull it off. But given how much better the writing is now compared to when I last watched, maybe they can.
I think it's realistic that the legacy characters of Salem wouldn't be judgemental about someone being gay; they're judgemental about individuals (i.e., Sami) not behaviors (i.e., cheating) or personal traits like race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Of course, several do seem to have a prejudice against women but maybe that's just more TPTB's prejudices seeping through. But still, it's easy for me to buy them not caring about a person's sexual orientation. I'm more surprised that Marlena doesn't treat Sami's son like the spawn of the devil simply because he's Sami's son.

And like was pointed out earlier in the thread, even EJ isn't being written as having a problem with Will's sexuality, he's just using the fact that Will has a problem with it to his advantage and that's how EJ treats everyone. So it's not like TPTB are trying to say that only bad people are prejudiced about homosexuality, they seem to be trying to focus the story on Will as a whole person rather than just making the whole story be about the fact that he's gay and not accepted for it, which is what I feared they would do and then Will would just become the stock gay character on the show with no other role.

The whole "young gay man fears rejection from his family" might have been considered ground breaking material 15-20 years ago but now it's cliche. I'm not saying that prejudice doesn't exist anymore, I'm just saying that it isn't always blatant and that there are more layered ways to handle Will's story. For example, when Will says "what it will do to his family", that doesn't have to mean a fear of them rejecting him, it can be more about him fearing that they will be rejected by others because of him. I would think that is possibly an even greater concern for some RL young gay people and it definitely fits for Will who has always felt responsible for the adults around him (instead of being the child that they take care of). They also have another interesting angle to play that fits with Will and Sami as characters and their relationship with each other - Will may well be in such denial because he is concerned that maybe he just doesn't like girls because of how much anger and distrust he has toward his mother. That's not true but it's a common belief about homosexuality so it makes sense that Will could have that concern and of course as you've noted, Sami will likely have her own denial issues ... and consider the same possibility that Will may be dealing with. Sami (and possibly Will himself) "blaming the mother" is a prejudice in itself, it may not be as blatant as other options but that's what would actually make it the more interesting way to address the prejudice issue and make it fit with what has already been established about the characters.
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I see Sami as not blaming herself for his being gay but that she , as a terrible mother, didn't see the signs and she want' the first person he told That he chose Marlena and that she couldn't protect hime for EJ knowing.
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I uploaded another Will and Sonny clip and the scene with Will and Marlena are awesome in this one

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Monday Feb 27 2012, 05:49 PM
I see Sami as not blaming herself for his being gay but that she , as a terrible mother, didn't see the signs and she want' the first person he told That he chose Marlena and that she couldn't protect hime for EJ knowing.
Will turning to Marlena is really gonna sting. But what should really bother Sami is that even EJ saw what Sami was too self absorbed to see.
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yep, I think that's going to be a big deal. Marlena even said as much on Monday's show. "haven't you noticed?" or something like that.
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I uploaded another Sonny and Will clip (these are made in to two parts because it was 2 min to long for youtube)

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That Will/Sonny scene was very very good. Well written, wonderfully acted. Possibly the dialogue was a little too on the nose - I can easily see Will feeling that way, but how many kids his age would have the ability to express it so clearly? - but then that's what happens with TV.

Sami is... Sami. With Marlena around, she always reverts back to acting like a teenager, while insisting she's all grown up.

One thing Marlena said confused me. Will stayed with her and John in Switzerland? I thought he'd come back from Austin and Carrie's long before Jarlena left Salem. Oh well.
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