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| SOD/SOW: Sami and Rafe; 2/14/12 issue | |
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| Lumidestiny | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 01:24 AM Post #1 |
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http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/topic/8641734/1/ The Big Kiss-Off Sami's world falls apart when she walks in on her hubby, Rafe, kissing her sister, Carrie. "Oh, my gosh, it's unbelievable," says Alison Sweeney (Sami). "She just had that fight with Will where he told her he saw her and EJ having sex, so she goes there to be honest with Rafe about what happened with EJ. That's her intention. Whatever Sami's thinking about, when she walks in that door and sees them kissing, her guilt and her infidelity completely fly out of her mind. It's the last thing she's thinking about in that moment. All she can think about is seeing them kissing. And Passionately, I might add." Sami is understandably devastated by the turn of events. "She's shocked and angry, and it's clear from the manner in which they're kissing that they're both very engaged in it," sighs Sweeney. "It's not just Carrie throwing herself at Rafe, which she would try and talk herself into believing. She's heartbroken and embarrassed and pissed off all at the same time." Rafe and Carrie try to explain what led them to kiss, but Sami isn't interested. "They immediately start falling over themselves with some stupid excuse about a case that they won," scoffs the actress. "I don't think she hears any of that. She just immediately is like, 'I know why this is happening.' She feels that Carrie is very motivated to get even with Sami for what Sami has done to her in the past. As far as Rafe, Sami is heartbroken that he would betray her." Austin arrives and is quickly clued in to what is going on. He lunges for Rafe, but Carrie steps in and defends her business partner, which infuriates her husband. Sami and Rafe head back to the loft, where she hurls their framed wedding photo at him and tells him to get out. "She can't get past it," explains Sweeney. "She says to him, 'I know you enough to know you would not be kissing someone without having feelings for them.' She can't let go of him having feelings for her sister." Neither can Rafe, apparently. "Rafe is having a hard time with it," admits his portrayer, Galen Gering. "He has these feelings for Carrie. I think that the kiss was born out of excitement, but also clearly because there was an attraction between them. They were celebrating and it finally happened, but it's something that shouldn't have happened. Rafe knows that. Rafe has never cheated on a girlfriend of his wife. He's freaked out by it." A guilt-ridden Rafe tries to work things out with his spouse. "That's where her infidelity comes into play in the fight," says Sweeney. "He says these wonderful things like, 'I don't deserve you' and 'I'm going to make this right' and 'I'm so sorry,' and all this stuff -- and that's when she realizes that she doesn't deserve him and it's better off if it's over. She doesn't kick him out, but that's how he perceives it. To her, it's just that she can't talk about this anymore. She can't admit her guilt. It's not because of what he did; it's everything that has gone on between them." Rafe heads to his office to get some perspective. Meanwhile, Austin and Carrie have an argument over the kiss, and Austin storms out of their place. He winds up in a bad situation with Abigail, which is sure to impact the future of the Reeds. The next morning, Carrie arrives at work and discovers that Rafe has spent the night there. The two discuss what transpired between them. "He thinks maybe it is a good idea to quit," says Gering. "Rafe basically tells Carrie, 'I can't trust myself. I can't trust you.'" Carrie is also conflicted about her feelings for her brother-in-law. "It's a question of conscience for Rafe," notes Gering. "If Rafe thought it would never happen again, then he'd put his foot down, to a certain degree, if he could. But I think there is some doubt there for Rafe that maybe it could happen again. Maybe worse things could happen. Why put himself in that situation? The business isn't doing that well and it's putting a strain on his marriage. What is more important to Rafe? Ultimately, it's his marriage." Back at the loft, Will learns that Rafe has moved out and lays into his mother. "Will sees it as the ultimate hypocrisy," declares Chandler Massey. "Sami is hiding the fact that she slept with another man and then walks in on Rafe kissing another woman and kicks him out of his place. What Rafe did is nothing compared to what Sami did. Any logical person would think there was something wrong with how she's acting." But Sami doesn't see it the same way. "She knows exactly what Will is going through because she went through the same thing," Sweeney observes. "He is just not even trying to understand what she's been through or what her perspective of it is. She really does feel like it was this crazy thing and she literally was insane from the grief over thinking she was losing Johnny. She really feels that's what happened and that he should understand that, but he doesn't. Her heart breaks for him. She loves him so much and she hates that he has been mad at her and blaming her for and that, whatever else he's going through, he can't confide in her and she can't be there for him because of what she's done. That is one instance in which she does feel very guilty and is very aware of what her infidelity with EJ caused her." By week's end, a frustrated Will seem poised to tell Rafe the truth about Sami and EJ... Sister Wives Sami and Carrie haven't had a close relationship ever since Sami began her teen scheming in 1993 to get Austin away from Carrie. In 1995, Sami drugged Austin and slept with him. When she turned up pregnant, Sami interrupted Austin and Carrie's wedding and revealed that Austin was the father. (She left out the fact that she had also slept with Lucas, who actually turned out to be Will's biological father.) Austin ping-ponged between both women until 2006, when he and Carrie tied the knot. Now, the tables have turned and it's Sami's hubby in the middle of the triangle. "Leading up to the kiss, there may have been tiny moments where she thinks Carrie should get off her man, but it was very subtle," reflects Sweeney. "She just always feels that way about her sister, suspicious and a little competitive. Sami is an insecure person and she has never had a great relationship with her sister, given all the things that Sami has done." ---------------------------------------------------- Sami Kicks Rafe Out! Sami walks in on Rafe kissing Carrie and loses control. "Sami is angry at Rafe," previews Galen Gering. "But there is also bad blood between the two sisters." Rafe and Carrie try to explain that they got excited after winning a case and were swept up in the moment. Sami refuses to accept their explanation and blasts them. Her fury triggers an unexpected response in Carrie, who charges that her kiss with Rafe is minor compared to the outrageous stunts Sami has pulled on her in the past. Austin walks in and overhears them talking about Rafe and Carrie's kiss. He tears into Rafe, but Carrie steps between them and defends Rafe. When Sami and Rafe leave, Austin asks Carrie if she has feelings for Sami's hubby. Her response leaves him cold. Meanwhile, at the loft, Rafe tries to talk Sami down. She grabs a framed photo of their wedding and hurls it against the wall. Rafe tables the discussion until Sami is thinking more clearly." The next day, Sami demands that Rafe quit working with Carrie. "Sami wonders how she can trust them together," explains Gering. "Rafe thinks that maybe Sami has a point." Rafe is also struggling with his attraction to Carrie. "The kiss was born out of excitement, but clearly there was also an attraction between Rafe and Carrie," concedes Gering. "They were celebrating and it finally happened, but it's something that shouldn't have happened. Rafe has never cheated on a girlfriend or his wife. He's freaked out by it." Later, Rafe announces to Carrie that he is quitting. "It's a question of conscience for Rafe," reasons Gering. "If Rage thought it would never happen again, then he'd put his foot down with Sami and keep his job. I think Rafe has some doubt that it could happen again. Maybe something worse could happen, so Rafe tells Carrie 'I can't trust myself and I can't trust you.'" By week's end, Sami informs Rafe that she can't forgive what happened and demands that he move out. Will overhears them talking and is outraged at his mom. "Will sees it as the ultimate hypocrisy," states his portrayer, Chandler Massey. "Sami is hiding the fact that she slept with another man, and then walks in on Rafe kissing another woman and kicks him out of his place? What Rafe did is nothing compared to what happened between Sami and EJ. It's almost like she's feeling guilty for what she did and is looking for an excuse to separate from Rafe." |
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| ddmtex | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 02:30 AM Post #2 |
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Hmmmm Sami, Rafe isn't the right guy, neither is EJerk, it's not Austin...now who could be your perfect match???? |
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| jtsahottie | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 02:58 AM Post #3 |
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May Sami finally see the light... don't mess this up writers... now's your chance to make things right. |
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| Penguin | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 04:14 AM Post #4 |
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^^^ So true. This is a LUMI end story in the making. Bring it on. (Hope Sami gets therapy too - has only needed it for the last 19 years)! |
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| Erica | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 07:54 AM Post #5 |
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REally hate to side with Sami after deadbabysex but Rafe is pursuing her sister and all that baggage while Sami was dealing with a deadbaby in a most inappropriate was. If Will is not ok with Sami cheating on his STEPfather, then he shouldn't be ok with his STEPfather cheating on his mother. Sorry but it's that old two wrongs bit and I"m thinking Will is being a bit of a hypocrite himself here. |
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| Lumidestiny | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 08:10 AM Post #6 |
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Yeah I don't like Will's attitude here either and I agree. Looks like Will's hate for his mom right now is blinding him to everything else, including the idea that good ole Rafe could be anything less than "perfect". Shows how desperately this kid needs his real dad back in his life. I'm frankly tired of the "Rafe worship" and want it to end now. |
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| Medea | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 08:29 AM Post #7 |
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I agree with Will here. A kiss and sex are both cheating, but sex is much, much worse. The baggage with Carrie pales in comparison to the baggage with EJ. Carrie never had Sami replaced with an imposter who Rafe failed to realize was an imposter. Sami cheated with the man who destroyed Will's family and tried to kill Will and Lucas. Rafe cheated with a woman who... is a sanctimonious hypocrite. Rafe's betrayal hasn't reached the level of Sami's, even though neither is OK. Besides, you *know* that deep down Will is really still coming from a place where he's angry at Sami for wrecking the Lumily. Being all right with Rafe cheating is in line with that... the only perfect family Sami and Will had, she destroyed, and if she isn't happy without it, fine. |
| Do you remember what she told him? She took her lover’s hand, and she said, “just because something is intangible doesn't mean that it's not real.” Lucas, no matter what happens, no matter what we’ve been through, no matter what I say, you will always be in my heart. -- Sami Brady, November 2007 | |
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| luvinglumi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 09:04 AM Post #8 |
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I also think it's very much in character for Sami to initially deflect and blame someone else for what she's done. Ali even says in the article that Sami later realizes that maybe Rafe doesn't deserve her, because of what she's done with EJ. Her guilt is still eating her up inside, so yeah, she does realize that what she did was wrong but somehow it ticks her off seeing Rafe and her sister kissing because well she was actually going to tell him what she did. Imagine putting yourself in the frame of mind to tell your husband that you cheated only to walk in on him sucking face with your sister. What probably bugs Sami even more was that because she sees them kissing passionately she knows that Carrie and Rafe are in a different place then she was with Ej and that is why she then goes on to say that although what she did with Ej was wrong since there was no emotion to it, it was more physical that she believes that what Rafe is doing is actually on an entirely different level. I think the dynamic to this story is a pretty good one, because I can also side with Will in his argument vs Sami. What she did and with whom is just so wrong on so many levels that it could never compare to Rafe kissing Carrie. But on the other hand, can you compare emotion (Cafe) vs no emotion (rapemi)/ For the record, I don't believe Rafe will be out of the loft for long, because I do think that Sami will see Will's side of things in a few weeks, but from what I can tell, Safe is over and I couldn't be more happy.
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| isabella | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 09:50 AM Post #9 |
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I do believe that although rafe finds out about rapemi sex he will be back to the loft and sami will take him back... But it wont be the same.... They will have alot of fights... And alot of trust issues....and its hard for riff raff to not think about carrie....for sami she couldnt get over her guilt or remorse for what she had done....by that time i hope lucas comes back and straighten this out.... |
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| Andi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 09:56 AM Post #10 |
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I hate Rafe. It's time for him to go. You go, Sami! DUMP him. You know there is only one person out there for you and who loves you for you. Oh, and Riffraffy, don't let the door hit your bum on the way out. :PAs for Caustin, they just need to go back to Europe....and OFF my screen. |
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| Medea | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:00 AM Post #11 |
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In Sami's mind, the deadbabystuff was emotionless. But that's going to be an impossible sell to anyone else, including Will and Rafe. Rafe/Sami's relationship will never be the same. Too bad, so sad. |
| Do you remember what she told him? She took her lover’s hand, and she said, “just because something is intangible doesn't mean that it's not real.” Lucas, no matter what happens, no matter what we’ve been through, no matter what I say, you will always be in my heart. -- Sami Brady, November 2007 | |
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| Lumidestiny | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:00 AM Post #12 |
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Aw darn Rafe won't be out of the loft for long? LOL yeah it looks that way doesn't it. I was hoping he'd be gone long enough for Lucas to move in. But hey I hate the loft so if Safe try to give it another go after all is revealed and everything falls apart anyway, maybe Sami and the kids will finally move out and need a place to stay. Who knows. As far as comparing the cheating, IMO Rafe's cheating is much worse because it is emotional cheating. Per GG's words, Rafe DOES have feelings for Carrie that he cannot deny. Rafe also tells Carrie that he can't trust himself around her. I mean that is pretty serious stuff! I really don't think finding out about the rapemi boink is going to put a bandaid on the situation and even the score between Safe because I can guarantee that CAFE will not be able to stop thinking about each other sooner or later. And Sami will be the one left in the cold so to speak. The rapemi boink was a horrific and purely physical act. It meant nothing to Sami. Obviously whatever is going on with Cafe, kissing or hugging, is a whole other story. |
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| vhaley | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:02 AM Post #13 |
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I agree with Will too. Both Rafe and Sami are wrong--but Sami is way wrong. Rafe feels shock and remorse for what he did--he is going to try and make it right. Sami is going to continue to try and hide what she did. I wonder how much longer they can keep it a secret? This is going to be such a mess for Lucas to come back to--but I figure he wouldn't expect any less from Sami ha. I think Safe will try again--but like Isabelle says "it won't be the same". Rafe won't get that vision out of his mind of Sami and Ej for a long long time. This is going to be messy, but with Lucas there, it will make it better for the viewers lol. |
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| Andi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:04 AM Post #14 |
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they say that an emotional affair is usually worse than a physical one. I see that to be true in this case, although it's emotional AND physical in CAFE's situation. It's gross. It's all gross. lol I just want Lucas to come back and fix everything. Sami has quite a mess on her hands and Lucas is just the guy to turn it around. Caustin and Rafe just need to leave. |
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| Lumidestiny | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:08 AM Post #15 |
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The only reason Rafe feels shock and remorse is because it is pure GUILT over the fact that he has serious feelings for Carrie per GG's words. Sami's guilt is different as she has no feelings for the rapist whatsoever. This is physical cheating (Sami) vs. physical AND emotional cheating (Rafe) And I don't think it will be the rapemi boink vision that Rafe won't be able to get out of his mind, it will be the Cafe kiss and visions of Carrie. |
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| isabella | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:08 AM Post #16 |
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exactly...sami was not in her right mind... as for rafe...he has feelings for miss goody goody... Theres a big difference... |
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| Andi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:10 AM Post #17 |
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Carrie is so boring and so "perfect". Personally I think Sami is a better catch. I just don't understand why all these men fall over Carrie. She isn't that great, really. Her history with men proves it. |
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| Norma | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:12 AM Post #18 |
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What Hilary said. |
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| Lumidestiny | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:12 AM Post #19 |
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The only man who knows first hand that Sami is the better catch is Lucas. He chased after perfect Carrie for years but once he finally caught her in 2006, he was bored to tears and admitted it. Poor Lucas, he learned the hard way but he wised up eventually, lol.
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| vhaley | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:15 AM Post #20 |
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OH dang--I forgot about us getting 3000 flashbacks to that kiss---ohhhh eewwww. I know Rafe is WRONG--but I swear if he kissed 100 women and liked them all--I still think what Sami did with EJ is worse, because of WHO SHE DID IT WITH. Seriously, is there anything worses SHE could done? When she shot EJ we all rejoiced, when she slept with him--we all...basically . Rafe is kissing Carrie is vomit worthy too, but on a different level and for a different reason!! They are both wrong, and this shows they have some major major problems in their marriage. The only one who can sort this all out for Sami will be LUCAS.
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| Andi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 10:24 AM Post #21 |
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No one is exempt from blame here. What they all did was very wrong. Sami just needs to take a step back and evaluate the situation and kick Rafe to the curb for good, try to get her life back on track, and reunite with Lucas. |
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| Kazz | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 03:59 PM Post #22 |
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I don't think Sami is being a hypocrite in kicking Rafe out because I don't think it's a matter of her thinking that what he did is worse, but rather a signal to her that the marriage is over. I have an array of thoughts on this storyline but they all sum up to: it doesn't matter who is more wrong, Sami and Rafe are not suited for each other and I don't think the break up will be a loss to either of them. If this were any two hypothetical people and you asked me if I thought the spouse who slept with someone they didn't care about at all was more or less of a betrayal than the spouse who kissed someone because they were overwhelmed by a strong emotional connection to the other person, I would say it comes down to whether I was the one who got cheated on or not. If it were a divorce case and the question was simply who committed adultery, then yes what Sami did clearly meets that definition whereas Rafe's actions are iffy. However if I were the one got cheated on, I would have a slightly easier time accepting that my spouse betrayed my trust with some meaningless person because they are weak willed and selfish rather than realizing that my spouse truly connects with someone else more than me. The first is more about what a dog your spouse is and at least gives you the solace that it's them not you, but to find out that your spouse cheated because they felt so drawn to another person that they just couldn't fight their feelings for them any longer is a total rejection of who you are as a person at your deepest level. Knowing that your spouse lusted after someone else's physical packaging is hurtful but for them to love the other person's soul - that's crushing. However, these aren't just two random people. Sami didn't act out of lust with some random stranger. What she did defies all human reasoning and understanding. There is no explanation for it other than a moment of insanity. Sami may as well have been abducted by aliens for all the comparison between that unspeakable plot point and anything else happening on the show. But why does it even matter who betrayed who to a greater extent. Rafe's choices have nothing to do with what Sami did. He doesn't know about that night, but he does know he's attracted to Sami's sister and continues to let the temptation build until he acts on it. It wouldn't matter if Sami had been as chaste as the driven snow, seeing Rafe kiss Carrie would still be the end of their marriage. The fact that Rafe becames so infatuated so quickly with Carrie is a much more telling indicator of the faulty foundation of the Safe marriage than anything Sami did. Sami's infidelity is an indication of how screwed up she is, not her feelings for Rafe or her commitment to the marriage. Rafe's infidelity are an indication of how shallow his feelings for Sami are and his committment to the marriage. I agree with Erica that if Will were applying fair standards he would be equally angry with Rafe for betraying his mother ... but Will's ability to do that is hampered by the same knowledge that makes all of us so disgusted with Sami that it's hard to see anything else - and that is the level of self loathing one would have to be in to do what she did. How can anyone respect a person who demonstrates so little respect for themselves - and I think that is what is eating at Will most of all and driving the largest portion of his anger. |
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| isabella | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 07:02 PM Post #23 |
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Well said
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| Andi | Thursday Feb 2 2012, 09:44 PM Post #24 |
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AWESOME post, Kazz! (applause)
Edited by Andi, Thursday Feb 2 2012, 09:45 PM.
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Oh, and Riffraffy, don't let the door hit your bum on the way out. :P
But hey I hate the loft so if Safe try to give it another go after all is revealed and everything falls apart anyway, maybe Sami and the kids will finally move out and need a place to stay. Who knows. 


. Rafe is kissing Carrie is vomit worthy too, but on a different level and for a different reason!!

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